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In this interview, David Marchese speaks with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor about their book, 'End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World.' The authors discuss how a coalition of tech billionaires, religious extremists, and ethno-nationalists are increasingly embracing an apocalyptic worldview that accepts planetary collapse as long as they can survive it.
The discussion explores the rise of 'end times' rhetoric and its connection to political movements, examining how extreme ideologies move from the margins to the center of power. The speakers also address the environmental impacts of data centers and the necessity of maintaining a belief in a shared, inclusive future.
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end times fascism is a fascism that is very much in conversation with planetary scale existential crises, a fascism that is taking the end of this world for granted.
00:02:16 · Naomi Klein defines the core concept of her book regarding modern fascist ideology.
You need a story that discounts those lives. That is a fascist story.
00:12:43 · Klein explains how fascist ideology relies on narratives that devaluing certain human populations to justify systemic destruction.
You can be a joke and be really dangerous at the same time.
00:15:07 · The discussion concludes with a warning about taking the 'trolling' and provocative rhetoric of tech figures seriously.
There's something treasonous about not believing in the future.
00:21:13 · The speaker argues that a vital part of political engagement is maintaining a belief in a possible and shared future.
We call them traitors, but not traitors to nation, not traitors to a flag or a border, but traitors to creation, like traitors to life.
00:33:11 · The authors describe their perspective on modern fascists as being enemies of the living world itself.
In this interview, David Marchese speaks with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor about their book, 'End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World.' The authors discuss how a coalition of tech billionaires, religious extremists, and ethno-nationalists are increasingly embracing an apocalyptic worldview that accepts planetary collapse as long as they can survive it.
The discussion explores the rise of 'end times' rhetoric and its connection to political movements, examining how extreme ideologies move from the margins to the center of power. The speakers also address the environmental impacts of data centers and the necessity of maintaining a belief in a shared, inclusive future.
Published12 Sep 2026
Duration37:45
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Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor Say the End of the World is Now on the Table
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In this interview, David Marchese speaks with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor about their book, 'End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World.' The authors discuss how a coalition of tech billionaires, religious extremists, and ethno-nationalists are increasingly embracing an apocalyptic worldview that accepts planetary collapse as long as they can survive it.
The discussion explores the rise of 'end times' rhetoric and its connection to political movements, examining how extreme ideologies move from the margins to the center of power. The speakers also address the environmental impacts of data centers and the necessity of maintaining a belief in a shared, inclusive future.
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