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Episode's summary

In this interview, David Marchese speaks with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor about their book, 'End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World.' The authors discuss how a coalition of tech billionaires, religious extremists, and ethno-nationalists are increasingly embracing an apocalyptic worldview that accepts planetary collapse as long as they can survive it. The discussion explores the rise of 'end times' rhetoric and its connection to political movements, examining how extreme ideologies move from the margins to the center of power. The speakers also address the environmental impacts of data centers and the necessity of maintaining a belief in a shared, inclusive future.

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end times fascism is a fascism that is very much in conversation with planetary scale existential crises, a fascism that is taking the end of this world for granted.

00:02:16 · Naomi Klein defines the core concept of her book regarding modern fascist ideology.

You need a story that discounts those lives. That is a fascist story.

00:12:43 · Klein explains how fascist ideology relies on narratives that devaluing certain human populations to justify systemic destruction.

You can be a joke and be really dangerous at the same time.

00:15:07 · The discussion concludes with a warning about taking the 'trolling' and provocative rhetoric of tech figures seriously.

There's something treasonous about not believing in the future.

00:21:13 · The speaker argues that a vital part of political engagement is maintaining a belief in a possible and shared future.

We call them traitors, but not traitors to nation, not traitors to a flag or a border, but traitors to creation, like traitors to life.

00:33:11 · The authors describe their perspective on modern fascists as being enemies of the living world itself.

Episodes

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Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor Say the End of the World is Now on the Table

In this interview, David Marchese speaks with Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor about their book, 'End Times Fascism and the Fight for the Living World.' The authors discuss how a coalition of tech billionaires, religious extremists, and ethno-nationalists are increasingly embracing an apocalyptic worldview that accepts planetary collapse as long as they can survive it. The discussion explores the rise of 'end times' rhetoric and its connection to political movements, examining how extreme ideologies move from the margins to the center of power. The speakers also address the environmental impacts of data centers and the necessity of maintaining a belief in a shared, inclusive future.

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The Lives That 9/11 Keeps Taking

In this episode of The Daily, host Michael Barbaro interviews 9/11 survivor Dana Nelson about her long-term health struggles and the recent release of documents revealing that officials provided false assurances regarding air safety. Newly discovered city records show that officials had access to reports indicating elevated levels of asbestos and carcinogens near Ground Zero, despite public claims that the air was safe. The discussion explores the political motivations for maintaining a sense of normalcy and the potential legal implications for the city. The episode also covers the launch of a new portal for individuals to check for exposure and apply for the Victims' Compensation Fund, while reflecting on the profound personal and psychological toll the lack of transparency has taken on survivors.

11 Sep 2026
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A Couple Breaks Up. Who Gets Custody of Their Embryos?

This episode explores the legal and ethical dilemma of frozen embryo custody through the case of Erin Millinder and Adam Rubin. It follows Erin's journey toward motherhood, her marriage to Adam, and the subsequent legal battle in New York divorce court over parental rights following their separation. The narrative details the breakdown of their relationship amidst IVF struggles and personal loss, leading to a significant court ruling regarding embryo transfer. The episode also examines the broader, uncertain legal landscape of IVF disputes across the United States and the ethical complexities of unilateral changes to reproductive plans.

10 Sep 2026
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Trump’s War on Mail-In Voting

This episode explores President Trump's executive order aimed at restricting mail-in voting by leveraging the United States Postal Service as an arbiter of election processes. The discussion covers the legal challenges from Democratic-led states, the practical difficulties for election officials, and the Supreme Court's decision to allow the rule to continue due to a lack of ripeness for litigation. The segment further examines the resulting legal uncertainty and voter confusion surrounding the Postal Service's role in elections. It addresses whistleblower allegations of technical issues within the Postal Service and discusses the broader implications for public trust in democratic institutions.

Wed, 9 Sep 2026 09:45:00 +0000
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‘Buy Now, Pay Later’: A New Wave of Consumer Debt

This episode explores the rapid rise of 'buy now, pay later' (BNPL) loans and their transition from a tool for impulse shopping to a survival mechanism for managing essential expenses like rent and groceries. While offering convenience, these services present significant risks, including automated bank withdrawals and the potential for a predatory debt cycle similar to payday loans. The discussion highlights the growing reliance on BNPL among low-income Americans facing an affordability crisis, featuring a case study of a teacher in Baltimore managing medical emergencies. The episode also addresses the lack of regulatory oversight and the difficulty economists face in assessing industry risk due to limited credit bureau reporting.

Tue, 8 Sep 2026 09:45:00 +0000